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TRoS sads post

Support post for those of us who've seen & are unhappy with TRoS or who have been thoroughly spoiled & are unhappy anyway. Vents/commiserations/fix-it brainstorming/links to fave fix-its etc all welcome. Spoilers will be everywhere in comments.

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Be civil. Misogyny, racism, etc will all get you banned from my journal, as will anti-style conflating shipping with morality.

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Title your threads. If you're not interested in what's happening in, say, the post-canon Finn/Poe thread, stay out of it.

Talking about things you liked is also fine. This post is more to give y'all a space to be upset than to 1000% doom and gloom 1000% of the time.

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It's my post and I'll start the complaining if I want to! This is one of the ones I keep coming back to because I have been saying for y e a r s that Rey Palpatine was the only parents theory besides Rey Nobody that I could see and they took it and they MADE ME HATE IT because it wasn't about Rey being a weird strange Force creature with the power to influence the galaxy it was about taking away every reason she had to be angry and think about being Sith and made it all about genetics and I'm mad.

I just??? This movie had so many things that if it was handled by someone who could write? I would love but instead I HAVE GARBAGE?!!!!

tHE VERSION OF TROS THAT SUCKS LESS IS RIGHT THERE AND HE MADE THE CHOICE TO NOT MAKE IT EVERY GODDAMN TIME >:(

We could have had it ALL. But seriously, at first I was very ???!! about Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter, but now that you planted the seed of weird strange Force creature Rey in my head I'm just mad that it could've been as cool as that and ended up being very much not as cool as that. WHY.

It's amazing how much reading spoilers demoralized me for this movie, but also, honestly, I would have been more pissed had I not had them?

I still haven't seen it yet. I'm not even looking forward to it. It's really sad. It honestly feels like a chore to go see it and I had day one tickets to TLJ. I'm sure hoping it looks better on screen than what I'm reading, which is basically that they retconned TLJ in as much as possible and hastily papered over the cracks.

Speaking of, I feel spectacularly disappointed Disney doesn't even have the stones to standby their 96% well-reviewed movie TLJ and instead sponsored a two-hour movie that basically seems built to only justify the opinions of the loudest, most despicable fanbois who basically complain it doesn't match their vision of what a made-up movie would be. Say what you will about the PT -- most of the criticism is fair -- but at least Lucas had enough stones to stand by his vision, and not issue a two-hour apologia to the people who hated Jar Jar.

(Though, now that I think about it, one of the things Disney did early on in the EU was re-write Jar Jar's EU canon - while Jar Jar in the Legends EU is a senator and political activist up into ROTJ times, the Disney! EU Jar Jar is exiled from his people and forced to earn his pauper living as a clown that no one likes.)

I've read criticism that says TLJ left JJ no place to run to in TROS, but I don't think that's true at all. TLJ left a pretty clear divide between a Kylo who had doubled-down on Evil, and a Rey who was out to save the galaxy -- and him, too. I don't see why they felt the need to bring back Palpatine at all tbh - Ren is a good villain, and I'd love to see him being conflicted for two hours instead of a two-hour fetch quest that literally just regurgitates the end of ROTJ again but with less hope of seeing someone make a silly video about Kylo ripping a truly excellent Harmonica riff before his very disappointed girlfriend the way grandpa does here.

TL;DR: TLJ was fairly wizard, TROS is not wizard, and JJ has 99 issues but blue milk isn't one of them.

This lady on NPR the other day was like 'JJ's films and Rian Johnson's film are in direct opposition. I feel like I'm watching a 2 billion dollar twitter war.' and [a] FUCKING MOOD and [b] what? was? the point? of the story group then?

I'm mad they sidelined Rose after everyone knows full well what sort of treatment Kelly got, and I'm mad that they tried so hard to make a Rey+Finn+Poe trio - funny how the people shrieking about how Rey couldn't have any affection for Kylo, the Jedi killer (who never! killed! a! single! jedi! actually!) demand that she be best friends with Poe, the man who was directly responsible for the deaths of 90% of the Resistance.

...I feel like there's something there about Disney/JJ promoting a very specific type of Military Man that Rian was trying to walk away from, hm.

That line about the films feeling like a Twitter war is so good. It is exactly what the movie feels like. I will say I didn't hate TRoS, mostly because I'd a)been spoiled about Ben and b)knew we weren't getting StormPilot. My expectations were already very low. I'm mostly disappointed that Rian's movie made these big impactful statements about letting the past die, about moving forward and that anyone could be useful/special (re: a Jedi). And this movie just walked all that back, a little like when TV shows decide to do a clip special for the holidays and pretend it's a normal episode.

That's such a good point about the Prequel Trilogy--which was by NO MEANS perfect but didn't feel like it was at war with itself. Once it found the track it wanted it just kept going with it, whereas the Sequel Trilogy just kind of...is trying to be all things for all people, which I think was a problem in TFA and in TLJ to an extent, but from what I've read/heard of the spoilers just came to miserable fruition in TROS.

There is an entire story to tell between Jakku and Tatooine as the endless wastes that spawn force adepts without explanation but I strongly feel that if you're only going to use them as bookends you are wasting the undead monsterplanets? I can't believe this movie put Rey back at someone else's square one and then also me back in the EU "what about the Yuuzhan-Vong" trashheap.

Back to Tatooine and the Skywalker name but still nothing for Shmi, huh.

There's good horror films somewhere in TRoS. Final Girl Rey with her chosen family entirely and already dead. Some kind of slasher film methodology with how the OT main characters died, with how the Resistance died in TLJ.

All for fucking what.

....oooh, desert horror def seems like a neglected genre. //grew up in NM

Camp completely spoiled and unhappy anyway!

Of all the spoilers I've read/heard, this one makes me the angriest; I think it's because I frankly expected them to backtrack and/or goof up when it came to Rey and Ben and their arc, but I wasn't expecting that TROS would do its best to pretend that Rose (and the entire dynamic between Finn & Rose) didn't exist. (Though in hindsight I should have seen it coming.) It leaves a bad taste in my mouth all around; there might be another explanation but the only one I can think of is that after all the crap that Rose (and Kelly!) got before and after TLJ, Disney decided to play it safe, which...ugh. Rose was a wonderful character played by a wonderful actress, and she deserved so much better.

YEAH holy shit. I didn't necessarily expect Finn/Rose to be, like, An Entire B-plot or whatever, but the extent to which Rose basically doesn't exist is just ... Kelly literally gets bullied off the internet by racists and JJ's response is to ... take her as out of the movie as he can without firing her? I didn't realise that her near-total absence from the marketing materials was going to be that much a reflection of her actual movie time and it's grosssssss.

After seeing the film I felt disappointed. In the two days since I've reflected on the themes, and feel thoroughly let down.
They propagate that a strong woman has to be alone, and doesn't even need to show grief about the death of someone who was not only deeply connected to her through the Force, but also sacrificed himself so she could live.
I'm angry about the fact that they backtracked and made everything about family lines. Rey only has the Force because of her granddad.
And only Force sensitives seem to have the potential to break through the FO indoctrination: Finn and Jannah, who had a "feeling" that guided them to do so.

They butchered one of my favourite characters in the saga - Leia - by showing that she had trained with Luke. And yet she couldn't be bothered to guide her own son, but was afraid of his powers and shipped him off to Luke at an early age?

How come the essence of all Jedis was with Rey, but none could be arsed to guide Ben when he craddled Rey's lifeless body?

Add the fact that all characters seemed to have regressed in their behaviour in the year since TLJ.

I think I need another glass of wine...

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